Season 11/Episode 2/Transcript of Archival Tape
The following transcript contains graphic description of rape and other violence. Reader discretion is strongly advised. This transcript represents excerpts from a longer FOIA fulfillment of archival interview tape with an individual who traveled with Samuel Little and Jean Dorsey, and who was questioned in relation to the murders of Patricia Mount and Rosie Hill. This transcript has been cut and condensed for clarity and to remove identifying details.
EXCERPT 1
Speaker 1:
So did she ever she ever, or did Sam ever go to a pawn shop?
“Jack”:
No, sir.
Speaker 1:
Never went to a pawn shop?
“Jack”:
No, sir.
Speaker 2:
What did they do with jewelry? On the street?
“Jack”:
Went to the people she knew.
EXCERPT 2
Speaker 1:
Why did Orelia, or Miss Dorsey, go to the hospital while she was in Ocala.
“Jack”:
She said she had to go get some pills for her heart and blood pressure.
Speaker 2:
Did she ever have heart and blood pressure problems as you say?
“Jack”:
No. He tells it that she's lying for that because one day he said to him that hospital ain't got no name to it. And it was right here and her was doing her exercise, you know? He said, Mr. McDowell said he'd like for her to learn it because she had a heart problem.
“Jack”:
Then she told me she couldn't hardly drive because her eye was messed up. So one night, one day, I played like I couldn't park the car right. I kept parking it sideways. She got kind of upset, said I didn't know how to drive. I said "Her. She can do it." She parked the car straight.
EXCERPT 3
Speaker 2:
If you were to describe Sam, would you say him to be smart, dumb, medium?
“Jack”:
Medium.
Speaker 2:
Not real smart, but not real stupid either. What about her?
“Jack”:
She thinks she's smart, but you know ... Dumb.
Speaker 2:
Let me ask you this, can she read and write?
“Jack”:
She says she can't see.
Speaker 2:
She says she can't see. How old is she?
“Jack”:
She'll be 70 in January.
Speaker 2:
What's she doing being Sam's old lady? How old is he?
“Jack”:
42.
Speaker 2:
He ain't never told you why he got 70 year old old lady.
“Jack”:
They first met when, she told me she first met him when he was in jail in Georgia. He was going with this girl named Lucy, this Mexican chick named Lucy in Georgia. And Miss Dorsey was in jail. She said she got out. She done hooked up around her house, around her [inaudible 00:06:02]. She said Lucy tried to get Sam 27 years or something like that, and Miss Dorsey knew, so she go to the jewels, then-
Speaker 2:
What did Sam do to Lucy to try to get 27 years? Assault or something?
“Jack”:
No. She said Sam raped her or something.
Speaker 2:
Oh, okay. And did he escape or just cut out?
“Jack”:
They let him go. She got him off. She got him all off bond.
Speaker 2:
Bond. And he didn't go back?
“Jack”:
He didn't go back.
Speaker 2:
With a rape charge?
“Jack”:
I think so. Something like that. He really didn't want to get too much into because he didn't Miss Dorsey to know the truth.
EXCERPT 4
While you were in Ocala, this is the first time and the second time, did Sam or Dorsey ever mention, well did Sam ever mention the names of any girls that he was dating besides Miss Dorsey?
“Jack”:
No, sir.
Speaker 1:
Did Miss Dorsey ever tell you any names of some girls that Sam was dating?
“Jack”:
No, sir. Because he wouldn't tell me because he thought I would tell her. And she wouldn't tell me because she thought I'd go back and tell him that she knows something about him.
Speaker 1:
Did Sam tell you that he had dated any girls other than Miss Dorsey while he was in Ocala or Gainesville?
“Jack”:
He said, I know he goes out to date girls because he wouldn't be going out there to be drinking. So I think, yeah he'd go out and date girls.
Speaker 2:
Did he ever say whether he paid them or not?
“Jack”:
He'd never give one of them money. He said he'd rather buy them something than give them some money.
EXCERPT FIVE
Interview Tape 6A Excerpts, Transcript
Speaker 1:
Did Sam ever mention the first names of any of his friends in Ocala?
“Jack”:
No.
Speaker 1:
Okay, just a few more questions and then we'll stop for now. That brown stuff that you said was in the backseat of the car, those two nights that Sam came home, or rather he came home the next morning. Right?
“Jack”:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
Where were you staying when he came home those mornings?
“Jack”:
At the motel down the street from the Sheriff's Department.
Speaker 1:
Okay, and who cleaned out the cars?
“Jack”:
Miss Dorsey.
Speaker 1:
And-
“Jack”:
Every morning she would get when he come in, go out, with a bucket with some washing powder or something and then clean out the car.
EXCERPT TWO
Speaker 1:
We'd like to ask you now some questions in reference to some dead girls that have shown up throughout a couple of states
INTERVIEW TAPE 6A
Speaker 2:
In Ocala, in August, we found a body of a nude, black female laying in the woods, right out in here. We have reason to believe that she was picked up at a bar in Ocala and transported out there. Do you know anything about that at all?
“Jack”:
No, sir.
Speaker 2:
Has anybody told you that they had anything to do with that at all? Did you have anything to do with it?
“Jack”:
No, sir.
Speaker 2:
Were you with anybody when they picked up a black female at a bar?
“Jack”:
No, sir.
Speaker 2:
Were you with anybody when they strangled somebody?
“Jack”:
No, sir.
Speaker 2:
Has anybody told you that they strangled or killed somebody?
“Jack”:
No, but if they did I would-
Speaker 2:
If they did would you tell me right now?
“Jack”:
Yes, sir.
Speaker 1:
Okay. Very good. Do you know anything about another girl that was found? This was a white girl. She was found up in Gainesville on September 12th. Okay? She was a white girl. She was found with no clothes on. She was strangled.
“Jack”:
How was she raped?
Speaker 1:
Excuse me?
“Jack”:
Was she raped or anything?
Speaker:
I don't know if she was raped. Why would that matter?
“Jack”:
Because that man who was in the cell with me, they said Mr. McDowell done come in here for his meals, could have passed a little bit. They say he raped about six or seven girls, prostitutes. They say he raped her from behind. They said he left scratches all in their face and on their neck. And he say he had against them for money. And they told him he was from Mobile because the Pinto had Alabama tags.
Speaker 2:
Who told you that? The guy in the cell with you?
“Jack”:
Yes.
“Jack”:
He knew all the girls that did that, that happened to them.
Speaker 2:
Now, do you know anything about this at all personally though?
“Jack”:
No, sir.
Speaker 2:
Were you with anybody when they picked a girl up and carried her out there?
“Jack”:
No, sir.
Speaker 2:
Has anybody told you that that went out there?
“Jack”:
No, sir.